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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2008
     

    I've seen this little beastie on sale at several places lately and am now sorely tempted by it. At around £200 at a fair few places, it's not what you could call a cheapie, but I gather from what reviews I can find it's an excellent recorder. Ivan, you use HI-MD I believe and I think Lawrence has this machine? What do you reckon on it. is it worth the money?
    I've also fallen in love with THIS
    Rather more expensive, but it sure looks like the real thing, OK, no HI-MD, but it ought to last a fair time and Tascam have a great service record on all the things they have made over the years. (With some exceptions to the really ancient stuff) Decisions! Mrs. C isn't too happy about the price of the Tascam, but with a little gentle persuasion, who knows. So Guys, what do you think, is HI-MD that good, or is the big deck better?

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2008
     

    A used one just sold on an MD board I frequent for $200 USD yesterday. It is in excellent condition and was only used a few hours by a member that has a good reputation on the board. For you, a steal I would imagine with the conversion rates. It has been destined to become a collectors item as it is the last MD/HIMD unit Sony produced. Sony announced it officially has dropped MD/HiMD. If you can get one I would snatch it up. They are a bit hard to find here. It is the only recorder than can upload old SP recorded discs via USB. Kind of a going away present from Sony.

    I would have got it for myself but I went with a Sharp DR-80 the same person was selling. It has the famous Sharp 1bit digital amp and 4 pole earphones (individual grounds for right and left outputs) and optical input on the dock. http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sharp_IM-DR580+DR80.html

    I like the deck and I have an SP only deck. That deck has all the features and more than Sony's own ES line of decks. You wont be able to interface with a computer via USB with the deck. They kind of make up for it since you can hook up a keyboard to the deck, which makes titling tracks a lot easier.

    The big selling point for going HiMD, at least for me, is that you can record in full PCM wav and upload to the computer. A 1GB HiMD disc will net you at least 10 CD's worth of music if you record at 256 kbps (Hi-SP Mode) and you can still use all your old regular MD blanks with the Hi-MD recorder. Just remember that if you format for Hi-MD you will not be able to play it on non Hi-MD units.

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2008
     

    Thanks Ivan, the Sony does look useful and it's a lot cheaper than the Tascam deck, the other thing I was wondering with the Tascam was the extended play system. I'm assuming it will work with the Sony extended play disc's ? I can't seem to find any info on this, although I guess Minidisc has a standard like the Sony/Philips red book.

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      CommentAuthorLolly
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2008
     

    The RH-1 is absolutely fantastic. Get two!

    Its ability to record in PCM wav and upload via USB is the major selling point; it's one of very few capable of doing this. Yes, it will work with any MD format disc - but buy lots of HiMD discs now before they become rarer and more expensive. I get them from Amazon marketplace normally.

    The only (minor) problem with the RH-1 is that if you record with the power plugged in (via the USB port, of course) you get a constant, loud buzzing noise on the recording since it's not properly shielded, but since you only get 92 minutes of recording time in PCM mode on a HiMD disc and the battery lasts hours and hours you are normally fine (unless you wanted to do a 24 hour recording session, in which case I pity your poor computer which has to edit the file produced... Use the track mark button on the unit to split it into tracks so it's not just one huge WAV file).

    The other downside is SonicStage, which is awful. Try to close your eyes and look at it as little as possible.

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 2nd 2008
     

    Strangely enough, I was actually thinking of buying two! I can't quite run to that at the moment unfortunately.
    I have decided to buy one now anyway, and a load of HI-MD discs. Thanks you two for the help deciding what to get. :D

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2008
     

    The extended play system is just LP2 and LP4 modes (If I am reading the description right). LP2 gives a bit better than MP3 @ 128 kbps. Some people compare it to 192kbps mp3. LP4 is very low quality and is probably best left for recording lectures or speeches around the equivalent of mp3 @ 48-64 kbps.

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2008
     

    The LP 4 mode is just used for talking books Ivan. One or two Minidiscs and player is a lot more convenient than six CD's with my really old portable CD player that has little shock protection, The sound quality on 4X is fairly awful. The Zen V+ is also great for speech and as you know, nowhere near the quality with music even on the best lossless recordings.

    The RH1 is now on order with a load of HI-MD disc's. Hopefully to be delivered on Tuesday. :D

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      CommentAuthorClubBarf
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2008
     

    Are they still using ATRAC on minidisc players? Did they never switch to AAC with an AAC+ encoder?

    My AAC+ encoder gives me (I'm told) CD quality at around 96kbps. I don't have very good earphones, but I can't tell the difference at 64kbps...

    And my phone plays AAC mp4 files no problem...

    Anyone ever compare AAC to ATRAC?

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      CommentAuthorLolly
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2008
     

    No, MD is still (and forever) ATRAC. Alas.

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2008
     

    Yes, ATRAC died a slow death even though I do prefer the sound signature of ATRAC over pretty much any other compression scheme. It may not even be the ATRAC sound signature but the Sony sound signature I like.

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      CommentAuthorLolly
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2008
     

    Um... the RH-1 still records only in PCM WAV or ATRAC. The newest SonicStage supports AAC files and AAC exporting but I tend to use WAV only so that SonicStage doesn't get its grubby mitts on the insides of my music files.

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2008
     

    what I mean is that ATRAC is no longer supported. It died with MD. They announced it last year. SS supports AAC but will transcode in the background so meh. :erm:

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2008
     

    I'm pleased to say the RH-1 came today and so far so good. In fact that's a bit of an understatement! Woohoo what a beautiful little thing. Apart from its great functionality, just playing some of my Minidisc's recorded on the Sony MDS JB940 deck I was and am amazed at the sound quality. I will have to wait a few days for the HI-MD disc's to arrive, I shall see what it can do with those.
    I'm very pleased with it so far. It's not as chunky and heavy as my MZ-R909, but that's is a definite advantage when its not weighing down your pocket, it also sounds better. :D

    I will have to scan the instruction book so I can enlarge the text, it's hard to get to grips with some of it when your eyes are watering straining them to see. :(

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 5th 2008 edited
     

    It really is a beautiful kit. The design is reminiscent of the older R50 (which I have just received). Glad you are loving it. :D

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008
     

    Now I have some Hi-MD disc's and have made a few recordings, I can honestly say I am more than impressed with the results. I recorded from an analogue vinyl source and the resulting recording was more than surprising. Obviously something has been lost during the transfer, but nothing like the hard slightly brittle sound I get from recording in WAV to the hard drive on a computer. How is this happening? I can only assume the electronics are better. That doesn't seem to make much sense as I'm using a professional sound card.

    It's a damn shame Sony has dropped ATRAC and Minidisc, I suppose market forces has caused this. Like most things these days, it's all to do with money/profit. The only disappointment is the slightly rough looking quality of the HI-MD discs, but they do seem to work perfectly.

    I'm finding some of the buttons a little difficult to press as my fingers don't have the strength, or dexterity they once had, but I am managing with a little more effort. (Those tiny round buttons are stiff)

    How do you like your R50 Ivan, I hope you are finding it good. :D

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2008 edited
     

    Glad you are enjoying that unit. Yes, the Hi-MD discs are a step backwards cosmetically speaking. Did you get the solid blue ones or the transparent blue discs?

    The R50 is built like a tank. I did not get the AC adapter so I don't know if the Li-Ion battery holds a charge. I am using the external AA battery adapter. So far I like it. I am going to have to get a universal AC adapter for it.

    It has a dedicated line out jack. Which is something rare in newer models. It sounds great hooked up via line out to my Teac mini system. I am limited to SP (292 kbps) recording only but not a problem since most of my stuff is already in SP.

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2008 edited
     

    The disc's are blue transparent fairly naff plastic that looks as if it contains recycled material (as they do) and the sleeve/case is just a single piece polyethylene moulding folded to make it do the job. I suppose it doesn't really matter, but compared to those oh so pretty Sony 80 minute coloured disc's they are quite horrible looking.
    We seem to have mains adaptors to fit anything under the sun over here Ivan and virtually any battery that has ever been made in any reasonable quantity, I hope it's the same for you Guys in the US?

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008 edited
     

    Sony's discs were/are ugly compared to TDK's and Maxell. TDK "WA" and "HO" come to mind but I need to take some pictures of them. I did have these pics uploaded already:

    Note the "glow in the dark" discs by Maxell (with color clubs also by Maxell in the background)

    Better view of the color clubs:

    The seller of the R50 got in contact with me today and apologized that he forgot to include the AC adapter in my shipment. He is dropping it in the mail for me. :)

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
     

    They are rather pretty Ivan I have a few Maxell coloured discs, but none as nice as that. I guess only Sony made HI-MD discs.
    I recorded some more vinyl on it today, (PCM) absolutely brilliant! I also found a a download of the manual in Adobe reader on the Sony website, that makes life easier for me to read the manual.
    Getting the power supply for your R50 is good news, I prefer to use the genuine article if possible.

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
     

    Yeah, Sony is the only maker of Hi-MD discs. Some people on the MD boards are transplanting the Hi-MD discs into standard MD shells. It takes a steady hand and some patience, too much so, that I will not be attempting it. :P

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      CommentAuthorLolly
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
     

    My HiMDs are all the translucent blue ones. They're not too bad, although I have to say that I don't tend to put them on the mantelpiece and marvel at them often.

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      CommentAuthorClubBarf
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
     

    LOL@Lolly!

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2008
     

    The discs are a part of the fun, like the amazing coloured vinyl discs and the fantastic artwork on some of the sleeves. Although I haven't been temped to display them as room decorations. :|

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 12th 2008
     

    Some of them are a work of art. It's a shame to hide them away.

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      CommentAuthorKrazyIvan
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2008
     

    My DR80 w/dock arrived. :)

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      CommentAuthorLolly
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2008
     

    Ooooooooo (y)

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      CommentAuthorClubBarf
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2008
     

    Yeah, ok, that *is* shiiiiney...

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeAug 17th 2008
     

    Ooo, very nice Ivan, I hope it sounds as good as it looks. The docking station is a great idea.

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      CommentAuthorcoyote
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     
    Posted By: Lolly

    The only (minor) problem with the RH-1 is that if you record with the power plugged in (via the USB port, of course) you get a constant, loud buzzing noise on the recording since it's not properly shielded,

    Lolly, I get no hum problems at all ? I am rather pleased about that. The machine came with a few ferrite clip on thingies to cut down noise, but I never bothered with them as there is was no noise anyway. I'm wondering if the PSU has been changed as this one is a switch mode unit without any earth. As you probably know, two earthed audio units causes a hum loop.

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      CommentAuthorLolly
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2008
     

    I only get the problem when the power is plugged in. I don't have ferrite cores on my USB cable though, which might be part of the problem, and the power adaptor is a rather tiny little thing, about 2"x1"x0.5" with a USB port on one end and unearthed 220V power in the other.

    The simple solution is to charge the battery before use; the battery lasts several hours, anyway, and I've never recorded for more than 2 hours (which, of course, means a change of disc in PCM WAV mode).

 
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