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at PC World.Out and about yesterday at PlayBite and there were a number of interesting products on show. I only regret I didn't bring my camera. Microsoft was showing off PhotoSynth, which I have to admit was a pretty good technology demo. It will be interesting to see how they build on this platform. On my Linux box I get this message:
MicrosoftUnfortunately, we're not cool enough to run on your OS yet. We really wish we had a version of Photosynth that worked cross platform, but for now it only runs on Windows.
Trust us, as soon as we have a Mac version ready, it will be up and available on our site.
Quite an assumption that if you're not using Windows you're using Mac
If they want to push Cloud technology, I think cross-platform is a must, but a good start and certainly impressive to watch.
Of all the stalls, Belkin's interested me the most, with a number of nifty devices on display. One such device was the GoStudio.

This funky little device takes any iPod and if necessary can be battery powered for portability. It has twin XLR inputs and twin 3.5mm jack inputs too, with independent gain control. It's designed for quickly and easily recording podcasts (not music) direct to the iPod. For its purposes, you could grab a previous generation iPod with a knackered battery pretty cheaply, just for recording. No mixing desks required, and of course you don't need a computer or anything else switched on, so you can have a really quiet environment for discussion with minimal buzz.
At £99, it's not much more expensive than a semi-decent mixing desk and I think will prove to be popular. With battery power, you could even use it for recording podcasts at live events, such as exhibitions. They are looking to be out and about in October and hopefully I'll get one to have a play with!
The Belkin thing seems a little limited to me. Seems good for podcasting, however spending an extra £40 would get you something like the Zoom H-2, which looks like it'd do semi professional recording duties for music too.
but why? When you can use an Hi-MD recorder with a mic of your choice for probably a lot less and better fidelity. Yeah, okay it's a webcast recording, so it's going to be compressed anyway but you will have access to higher quality recording with the Hi-MD unit. ![]()
With gain and XLR inputs? You'd need a mixing desk for that surely?
Okay, no XLR inputs without some adjustments, but it can be done without a mixing desk.
It's completely self-contained. If you're going to start bolting stuff on, you may as well use a complete setup!
So, are you planning to podcast for the new site?
(hehe, I verbed a noun. Doh! I did it again.
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Posted By: Spodehttp://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodid=1916
This?
Yeah that! Just picked it as an example. Hi-rez recording, no need for an iPod, surround recording etc. The belkin seems a little more consumer orientated/simplified (e.g. the gain controls with two settings).
I think Spode should do more podcasts. With ice cream. On Brighton beach.
Personally, I was looking at this one:
http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Content/Sony/PR/PCM-D1.html
Posted By: LollyI think Spode should do more podcasts. With ice cream. On Brighton beach.
Coming soon...
Posted By: SpodePosted By: LollyI think Spode should do more podcasts. With ice cream. On Brighton beach.
Coming soon...
And me. I'm only like a bus ride away!
I could do something helpful, like lob pebbles at him.
I recently bought a new yamaha keyboard, as I missed playing the piano. My Grandma has asked me to record some stuff, and send her a tape (yes, as in cassette tape).
Instead of that, I thought I'd record some tunes, and send them home as MP3 or whatever for dad to burn to CD. Save the postage and, more importantly, decent music quality.
However...one problem. I need a microphone. What I'd prefer to do is plug a USB mike into my macbook. But what do I buy? The key here is that it's not too expensive. I've noticed some USB mikes for podcasts. But are any suitable for piano music? Any suggestions?
I do have some nice XLR dynamic mikes, but I'd like to try out a USB mike if it's possible.
Why not just hook up to the analog input on the mac via a cable (I am guessing 1/4" stereo to 1/8" stereo plug) hooked up to the Yamaha's headphone or line output. Unless you are recording your voice too?
But if the soundcard isnt that good, the recording wont be good?
Why not get a USB/Firewire interface and record that way.
Try Powestudio 250 (USB) or 660 (Firewire). They are bundles of with an Edirol interface and a version of Sonar.
Erm, is MIDI not an option? I'd have thought it would provide a more flexible interface, and should be cheap as chips...
I'm no audio dude, though, so ignore me if I'm missing something important!
MIDI just records the code behind the music, not the actual sound. The MIDI file would just use the macs MIDI module which would also alter the sound, unless it has the same MIDI module as the keyboard. Very doubtful. I would really be surprised if the sound card produced sub par audio even recording from the analog input. Most of todays computer analog sound inputs will provide a decent recording, especially for personal stuff.
I think it will have better sound than a USB mic, since you are eliminating all extrenous noise that can be picked up by the mic and replacing it with any inherent noise from the I/O's which is probably a lot lower than most would expect. One pass through Audacity's noise removal tool will eliminate any noise that can be produced by the I/O's anyway. (I have no idea what the mac equivelent to Audacity is but I'm pretty sure there must be something out there).
The only issue, as I already pointed out, would be if vocals need to be recorded in conjunction with the keyboard. It still could be done with a small mixing board hooked up to the analog input on the mac. Again, Audacity could do this without a mixing board. You would have to multi track in Audacity. Lay down the score first, then add the vocals afterwards. You could hook up an XLR mic via a "direct box" to the analog input on the computer.
Posted By: KrazyIvanMIDI just records the code behind the music, not the actual sound. The MIDI file would just use the macs MIDI module which would also alter the sound, unless it has the same MIDI module as the keyboard. Very doubtful.
Yup, only - this is a piano recital, I'm sure the Mac can handle re-creating the sound of a piano... Surely?
They say the piano is one of the easiest to reproduce, or was that drumbs? I don't remember. It all depends on the person I guess. I hate some of the renditions that creative cards do. I kept an old Yamaha XG card around just because of that. It's onboard midi module was awesome. I have not tried to use it with Ubuntu. Maybe I should. ![]()
I imagine the Mac would be equipped with the standard General MIDI sounds, which are pretty poor. The XG sounds are excellent. Yamaha used to make a software based synth module but I don't think you can get it any more. Most Creative cards use the Soundfont system, so you can load then with samples and make them sound how you like.
I agree with Ivan that the simplest thing to do would be to plug the audio out of the keyboard directly into the Mac. The quality of the sound card will have almost zero impact under the circumstances, unless of course your Gran has a £3000 stereo Rob?
Posted By: KrazyIvanThey say the piano is one of the easiest to reproduce, or was that drumbs? I don't remember.
Not so sure about that - I've heard some absolutely awful renditions. Modern electric pianos (as opposed to electric keyboards; the former designed to look like a piano, though not as deep) can sound pretty good but they need careful adjustment in the room they're in otherwise they sound very fake.
Back on track, I've never been happy recording from MIDI; it's too difficult on an electric keyboard to get the touch right, etc. and of course the computer will reproduce precisely what you played, with no acoustic effects to cover it up. I should imagine you'd have the same problem hooking the keyboard directly into Line In. If you're happy with the keyboard's own piano rendition, I'd use a separate microphone.
Posted By: LollyPosted By: KrazyIvanThey say the piano is one of the easiest to reproduce, or was that drumbs? I don't remember.
Not so sure about that - I've heard some absolutely awful renditions.
I should imagine you'd have the same problem hooking the keyboard directly into Line In. If you're happy with the keyboard's own piano rendition, I'd use a separate microphone.
Yeah, I have heard some pretty expensive gear really make me think the person got ripped off but it is the sound bank that makes a difference when it comes to midi.
I don't get why you would use a seperate mic? Most keyboards will send onboard effects over the line out channel.
It's quite common to mic up even an amplified instrument. It can give a much more realistic sound with more depth to it.
Hi Folks,
Yes, Spode and Lolly have got it spot on. Just connecting to the line out will produce quite a 'dead' sound. Even though I know that our flat isn't exactly the best acoustic environment, it's the better option. I'm not expecting an amazing quality of recording (especially given that I'm a pretty mediocre player), just something with a bit of life. Don't even get me started on MIDI ![]()
So, back to the original point...USB mic suggestions anyone?
If you're concerned about the onboard sound, why not get a USB sound card and use a normal mic?
USB Mic = http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1810
BAH! Scratch that mic, forgot it is for a Mac. ![]()
Odd, they list that mic in this Mac World article, so maybe it does work. http://www.macworld.com/article/52765/2006/09/usbmicrophones.html
I still think you could do better with a line cable for the type of recording you are trying to do. ![]()
Posted By: SpodeIt's quite common to mic up even an amplified instrument. It can give a much more realistic sound with more depth to it.
With an electric guitar for example the amp and speaker combination colour the sound as much as the instrument does. Which is why you'd use a mic. To over-simplify, this is because the modern overdriven guitar sound came about when people deliberately over loaded their equipment - making the output sound significantly different to the input. It's not my area of expertise but I'd be really surprised if the amp and speaker section of a keyboard did anything over than amplify and turn electrical signals in to sound. Reverb can always be added afterwards.
What I've been doing with acoustic guitar recordings recently is simultaneously recording direct input and microphone sounds on to separate tracks. Then I mix them to get the required sound, often panning each track a little left and right to widen the sound a little.
For cheap prices, if you do want to get a mic try thomann.de.
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